I feel bad for this seller 

"WilliamsSW" (williamssw) 10/22/2017 at 00:54 • Filed to: Bring A Trailer, Mopar, 'cuda, Train wreck

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This is theoretically a six figure car, and the auction is turning into a train wreck because the seller doesn’t seen to know how to sell a classic muscle car, and it seems like BaT hasn’t given him the advice he needs, either. The comments section is getting pretty testy after only 1 day.

Sad because it’s a gorgeous car, and I love old muscle cars - I’d love to see BaT become a great venue for those, and not just import collectibles.

Nibbles > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 01:05

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Holy shit someone is getting this for a song

WilliamsSW > Nibbles 10/22/2017 at 01:07

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It’s got a reserve. Highly unlikely it sells at all unless the seller gets his shit together.

Spridget > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 01:37

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IMO the seller needs to stop acting like a used car salesman and pull his stuff together. The missing fender tag info was left out for an awfully long time.

WilliamsSW > Spridget 10/22/2017 at 01:45

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That was telling there. If you look at the underhood picture you can almost imagine that it was intentionally shot of center to keep it out of the photo, if you’re very cynical.

And he still doesn’t seem to grasp that telling us the numbers isn’t the same as posting pictures of them.

And I knew that Chrysler quality control was shaky back then, but wtf is with that drivers door??

promoted by the color red > Spridget 10/22/2017 at 02:00

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I love how the seller keeps dodging questions with “GAIZ IT’S THE HIGHEST INSURED/VALUED CUDA IN THE WORLD” as if it that magically addresses all issues.

RallyWrench > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 03:00

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This thing is about 40 miles from me if anyone needs it looked at. From what I read, the seller is a fucking idiot, even if the car checks out. I would have read more, but I got cancer.

WilliamsSW > promoted by the color red 10/22/2017 at 08:03

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He’s the only person in earth that cares about that appraisal. Dumb

WilliamsSW > RallyWrench 10/22/2017 at 08:08

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He is an idiot or a crook, that’s for sure. And if he’s a crook, he’s still an idiot for thinking that his scam would work.

He needs a Mopar expert to go over that car carefully and take good pictures, and get them up on the site.

pip bip - choose Corrour > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 08:27

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i’m going to keep checking on the comments on that one,

E92M3 > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 09:31

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The driver door has definitely been repainted or replaced. There’s no way it would of left the factory like that.

WilliamsSW > E92M3 10/22/2017 at 09:38

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I was actually the first to point that out in the comments. I knew Chrysler quality control was shaky back then, but it’s a huge stretch to believe that’s original. And look at the paint thickness readings. They vary a fair amount.

Admitting to that door being a repaint wouldn’t kill the value, either. The car is 47 years old.

WilliamsSW > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/22/2017 at 09:39

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I posted a few comments early in that thread, but now I’m just sitting back with popcorn and reading along.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 10:33

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What E92M3 said. Not only was the driver’s door repainted, but it was not repainted well.

WilliamsSW > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/22/2017 at 10:53

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Can’t blame camera angle either, because it looks that way from every angle.

I think it’s possibly a decent quality repaint that’s just very old, and has faded differently. Regardless it can’t be original.

MM54 > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 11:08

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The driver’s side fender and quarter were resprayed/blended and the door replaced (or stripped and resprayed off the car at a different time than the quarter/fender work) - I think that’s pretty clear.

I didn’t go through the whole of the comments but something about the listing is a little weird. Hopefully it goes well for him; I doubt BaT would have agreed to an unrealistic reserve (they don’t get their comission if it doesn’t sell) so time will tell.

WilliamsSW > MM54 10/22/2017 at 11:14

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I would be surprised if the reserve was under $100k. The listing presentation is completely unworthy of that price, and the seller seems to think that anecdotes will substitute for cold, hard facts. The seller is failing here, but BaT has failed the seller here, too. That may be what frustrates me the most. I’d like to see the site become a better venue for old muscle cars, but it really is falling short of that mark here.

MM54 > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 11:18

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Sellers provide details to BaT, who write the listing. The seller then must approve the writeup, so there isn’t a lot to be left as BaT’s “fault” - reserves are negotiated in a similar manner.

At the same time, yes it would be cool to see more variety of cars coming through their auctions, but it was also a decision of the seller “Hey I’m going to try to auction my supposedly-$300k muscle car through a site that rarely sells muscle cars!”

WilliamsSW > MM54 10/22/2017 at 11:52

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I know, but BaT has a vested interest here in getting this right, in order to get the full commission and not just the listing fee, as well as building their credibility in the muscle car market. Supposedly they curate their listings, which ought to mean doing DD to get it right.

Sam > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 12:25

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I did enjoy this comment

“Remember the Barrett Jackson muscle car auctions of the mid 00’s? The men in their 50s who paid big money for those cars? 10 to 15 years later, now that they are 70 and ready to sell the car, how would you expect their ad to look? The verbage? I would expect it to look exactly like this.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam 10/22/2017 at 12:55

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Doofus Old White Guys. They should run for president.

WilliamsSW > Sam 10/22/2017 at 12:56

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That was pretty good - and accurate for a lot of those guys, I suspect.

And it would be even more true if the seller has known the car from day one- why look at engine stampings if you’ve known the car since 1970, and that the engine is untouched?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 12:58

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“... said to be unrestored...”

“...believed-original 440...”

Done reading. Current bid of $28k is about where I’d put that car and not very many pennies over.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 13:10

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I’m not an expert, but I think even a restored car with a replacement 440 would be worth $40-50k. Regardless, the seller is just killing themselves with that crap.

Prove it, and it’s a six figure car. If all you can do is say it, then fuggedaboutit.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 13:13

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Funny how we have a minimum age requirement but not a maximum, ain’t it?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 13:17

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$40-50 might be a good bet. But when things are “said to be,” and “believed,” then I don’t think so, Sir. I don’t even care much for the car itself... Not my style. I’d rather have something from the 60s that Dad bought to pull the trailer in summer with the four-speed and the big-block V8 and the towing package, locking rear end, et cetera. Hit second early, hold down the gas pedal, shift to third at 60 mph. Dual exhaust, soccer mom mufflers... #truesleeper

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 13:18

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What we need is a minimum emotional intelligence requirement.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 13:28

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It’s not my cup of tea, either - in general, I like GM>Ford>Mopar, and mid’60s over the late 60's/early 70s. On top of that, I’m actually not a big pony car fan (really). GM A-and B-bodies are my true love, but I enjoy anything from that era. You might like the ‘64 Sportwagon that went up Friday, too - although the 300/2bbl/ST300 won’t impress you.

But this is still a cool car, and I hate to see it get trashed because the seller is clueless (or worse).

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 13:31

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I would have hoped that voters would be smart enough to weed out candidates that don’t meet that requirement, but nooooooooooooooo.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 13:37

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On the contrary: they love it. So much easier than doing any actual work or making any difficult decisions. The latest Gold Star Family row? The Wall Street Journal isn’t even mentioning it.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 13:50

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And that is why I stopped reading the WSJ years ago.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 10/22/2017 at 14:01

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I read WSJ and NYT both, daily. When the two overlap, that’s when I go after my conservative friends. I have two microtheories on the current Gold Star Family flap: First, I’d like to think that General Kelly went out there and took one for the team, but said to the POTUS, “Don’t you ever bring my family into your mouth again!” Second, I think the absence of any mention in WSJ is an indictment, by omission, of Trump’s lack of propriety.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 14:06

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I read the Journal for years, but dropped my subscription in ~2008 or so. You can guess why.

Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2017 at 14:36

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Their deals would probably have about the same success rate as the Don, if they presented them like they presented this ad.